Matt: Hello and welcome to the FilmWord Podcast, episode seven. I'm Matt Ward with my brother Jeff, and we're excited for another show today. Jeff, how you doin'?
Jeff: Doing well. Doing well. Feeling good. how are you feeling?
Matt: I'm really not feeling great. But I'm getting there. I know. That's I'm
Jeff: Tell me the lie. I want to know the lie.
Matt: feeling great. I'm feeling great, Jeff. I'm ready to roll. But I I feel like I'm two two weeks in a row with with puffy eyes and just not not looking my my beautiful self. So I'm I'm getting there. I'll be there soon.
Jeff: Well let's let's kick it off. So today we're talking Sense and Sensibility twenty twenty six, not to be confused with the other versions that have come out. And we're talking Tenzing, and then we're doing our top five rom coms.
Matt: yeah.
Jeff: and yeah, Matt, why why don't we kick it off with maybe talking about what we watched this week if anything is on your list.
Matt: Yeah. You know, I I put out a a video earlier this week about watching Street Fighter. Did you make it out to Street Fighter, Jeff?
Jeff: I did I well after your after your review, I was like, Man, I'm not gonna waste money on that.
Matt: It really did feel kind of like a waste of money, a waste of time. It was sad. So I'll we can include that maybe in the description or the show notes or something. The my my amazing review of Street Fighter, but overall, very underwhelmed, felt like an absolute waste of of what could have been pure gold with a Super Nintendo video game from our childhood. I gave it one out of five. Not would not watch it again. Maybe if you paid me. I've I've I have been known to watch movies for less. That's right. Yeah, maybe. I'll be the mercenary
Jeff: We all we only care about the money. Pay pay me 20 bucks, I might might watch it. you know,
Matt: viewer.
Jeff: yeah, I know that we talked about it a little bit, but it is a shame because Street Fighter 2 Turbo, which is the one we played a lot of, is a fant it was a fantastic game for its time. And they have great source material. Like I feel like each of those characters is pretty unique. And it's just a bummer that they couldn't kind of take that source material and turn it into something fun and and even like a franchise, which apparently they're you know, they left it on a cliffhanger like as if there's gonna be a two, but considering the magnitude of this flop, it's hard to believe there will be a two. But then it's like such great source material, such such a cool, like fun story. and then they just took it and made a product that was not great. So
Matt: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: What studio what studio was this that came out with Street Fighter?
Matt: I don't remember. I know Capcom was on there as one of
Jeff: Mm.
Matt: the but they're they're not there's another one that actually put it out. So I don't know if it was a Paramount deal or something else, but it was a frustrating experience. And yeah, you you watch you're watching towards the end and you're just like, What is going on? And yeah, it's this lead into the next one, which I hate. I I cannot stand any film. You know, the Hunger Games three and four, like the lead in. I've been waiting for years to watch the f the conclusion to the animated Spider Man movies where they left us on a cliffhanger. I I feel like that should be banned from all film is to leave any motion picture film on a cliffhanger. It's just inappropriate to the teenth degree.
Jeff: Well trust me, as someone who does not, you know, religiously watch the Marvel movies, I know how frustrating it is to feel like I have to watch six movies just to catch up to watch this one. I feel like every movie should be kind of like a self contained thing. so even when you turn on an Avengers movie and they're kind of like at the end of the last one, kinda go going to this one, it's like, Well, I have no context of what the end you know what what the ending of the last one was referring to. So I mean I know that that's not the that's not the standard in Hollywood these days. people are kind of exp you kind of expect to come into this new Spider Man understanding what happened in the previous Spider Man's. but anyway, this yeah.
Matt: Well and it it's it's frustrating too because the movies don't release, you know, the next day or the next week or the next month and sometimes not even the next year. And so these cliffhangers, I mean, I I just can't even remember enough of what was going on to feel like I'm up to speed enough to r to just jump in for the next one. So then you have to go back and rewatch. I just I feel like it's it's underwhelming whenever they do that. Now the big
Jeff: Yeah. Especially with Street Fighter.
Matt: big question for you, Jeff. Did you make it out to see you can see everything?
Jeff: Well, here's the story about you can see everything. I was gonna go Friday night, or yeah, I think it was Friday night, and just kinda had some logistical hurdles that came in place and by the time that I went to buy so as you know it was like fairly limited release. I think was like eight hundred fifty five screens. And in here in Utah we had one that was showing like maybe two theaters in Salt Lake and then the next closest one was like South Jordan. All of them were sold out. Even South Jordan was sold out. when I looked at it in the morning, I there was like there were a few seats left and I was like, I'm gonna go. Anyway, long story short, I have not been yet. Schedule just hasn't worked out. I know, but I'm I'm withholding like all all critic reviews, all feedback, all YouTube videos that I've seen. I'm like, Okay, I can't watch it yet. and hopefully I can get to the theater pretty soon.
Matt: It it may have maybe there's a surprise ending.
Jeff: I mean, I think I yeah, I mean I I read Bad Blood, you know, I I know the story pretty well. I watched the Amanda Seafried retelling and love the story. So I'm like still still super excited to go see it. But yeah, unfortunately just haven't made it out yet. but yeah, I I did, you know, I had a little time to sit and watch a bit of Batman Begins, which I was excited I I told you I gotta restart the trilogy 'cause I gotta understand, you know, I gotta refresh my memory there. About halfway through that, but haven't made it all the way through. And then visiting my parents, we randomly turned on how to lose a guy in ten days. And that was that was a fun one. Might might come up again in the top five rom cons. We'll see.
Matt: What a movie to watch with parents. Right there. Hey mom and dad, what can we turn
Jeff: It definitely Yeah.
Matt: on here?
Jeff: Well it wa yeah, it wasn't necessarily my idea,
Matt: Yeah.
Jeff: but but still fun watch. well yeah, let well any anything else that you wanna bring up, anything else you've been watching or I have a few movies here that I just wanted to kind of touch on for movies that are coming up soon.
Matt: Yeah, no more the the of watch I watched another one that ended up making my top five, so I'll talk about it then and just to try and refresh and make sure I was at least kind of on board for it instead of pulling a Mission Impossible where I regret it, much like several of the other films. but yeah, go ahead. I have a couple of upcoming films I was gonna mention as well.
Jeff: Yeah, well I saw that that Clayface is coming out this weekend. There's a DC Comics. Yeah, I'm I ha honestly didn't really see this one coming until everyone started talking about it in the in the last seven days. It's got decent reviews. I don't know that I I don't know that it's calling to me. I remember this story from when we're like when we were kids, we actually used to collect comic books. And I collected yeah. Go ahead.
Matt: Yeah. Well and well when we had Batman the animated series, they do at least one episode on Clay Clayface as well.
Jeff: That's right. That's right. Yeah. So I watched a lot of Batman the animated series. familiar with the Clayface story. Never thought I would see it in real life, but I guess we'll see. Maybe maybe we'll go see it. But seventy five percent on Rotten Tomatoes right now. the one that I've been talking about for a few weeks here is Wildwood. I know we had some some commentary about it. that one has fantastic reviews still, so I'm I'm probably go go see that one. And then there's a Jenna Ortega movie that that's coming out this weekend, Claire and the Sun. And I it's funny, I saw this trailer, I saw it the trailer at the beginning of Sense and Sensibility. I also saw it online and I immediately thought, that doesn't look like a very good movie. It's got Amy Adams as well. I just thought that looks really, really dumb. It is based on a book, so I clearly people like the book, I guess. but yeah, so far the reviews are really bad. 26% so far. the only other one I'll mention coming out this weekend, I guess in Select Theaters only, is this John Toturo is the guy from Severance. He's like the older guy. And he is in a movie called The Only Living Pickpocket in New York, and that's got fantastic reviews as well. again, haven't really I mean, I'm not in a place where it's I'm not in New York or LA, so don't really get to see Select Theater movies, but that's one that I'd be interested in seeing. and then coming up on the thirtieth, I think we've talked about this one a little bit as well. The Jimmy Chin movie Everest the Other Side, which I think looks pretty interesting and definitely touches on the topic of the day since we're gonna talk about the movie Tenzing. So
Matt: Yeah. Yeah, I'd I'd seen that coming up soon. the Everest thing. I actually saw a trailer for it and I th I agree. I think it looks very interesting. Is this the one where they're gonna ski down it? Yeah, that's ins
Jeff: Yep. Yep.
Matt: that's insane. I mean, even just going up Everest, pretty insane, but to ski down. Especially for for those of us who are horrific skiers. no no question in my mind that I would be dead within ten seconds of that.
Jeff: Well, I don't know I don't know if it's the same story, but like a year ago or year and a half ago or so I saw a Red Bull YouTube video of a guy skiing down and it was it was awesome. He was like at the top and he was like, Yeah, I'm gonna start skiing now and he just like says bye to his Sherpa buddy and just like gets on his skis and just like you s you watch him the whole way down. It's crazy. Yeah. I'm
Matt: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: sure they clip cut the videos at certain points, but anyway.
Matt: Well the the only other one that I'll throw out there is the Mosquito Bowl that's coming out in a few months. or actually no, it's in coming out is that October thirtieth? Or maybe it's sooner. I think October thirtieth, yeah.
Jeff: Yep, October thirtieth, yeah.
Matt: And Peter Berg film and about Marines during World War Two playing playing some football. And I like the I guess the story, the original book. that it's based on was from the same writer as Friday Night Lights. And I remember reading that book and and feeling like he does he does a really he's a very interesting guy. But but his his books are always very well researched and and so I'm excited to to maybe check that one out a little farther down the road.
Jeff: Cool. Yeah. That's awesome. Well, I guess let's go ahead and dive in to movies of the week here. and we'll start with sense and sensibility, if that's all right. I saw that you also released sense and sensibility pre review, but I didn't watch it because I didn't want to spoil it for myself. So if you want to walk us through this movie a little bit and what your thoughts were.
Matt: Yeah. So Sense and Sensibility based on a Jane Austen novel and the remake. It has let me actually just pull up a a few things I want to mention about it. Has Daisy Edgar Jones as Eleanor Dashwood. So it's the Dashwood family. Esme Creed Mil Miles as Marianne Dashwood and then George McKay from nineteen seventeen on as Edward on there is also Ferris. And and then a few things that I had heard going into the film in terms of the focus of this film. And I I'm curious to get your thoughts on it. The director and the screenwriter talked about, you know, why are we remaking sense and sensibility at this point? And they they want there are a few things that they mentioned. One was to develop the relationship between the sisters and the family like the family. A little bit more, and one of the others was to be a little more naturalistic, a little more realistic with how these families lived back then and not dress it up too nicely, which I always think is an interesting approach, especially and maybe this is actually very true, but I always feel like people's teeth in these realistic throwbacks to hundreds of years ago, they have beautiful teeth. And it's like, is that even possible back then? But maybe it was. Maybe maybe they had really nice teeth and all the famous people that we hear about having horrible teeth just were eating too much candy, sugar cane.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah. You're thinking Paul Mescal and Hamnet and you're like, There ain't no way Shakespeare had teeth like this. He probably had wooden teeth, let's be honest.
Matt: Seriously. Yeah, if if George Washington was always, you know, sensitive about his teeth and had tons of his teeth pulled, it just seems like maybe the teeth are a little too white for the period that they're in. But but really I'll I'll go ahead and pass it over to you. Any any thoughts from from your viewing?
Jeff: Yeah, I mean this is this is an awesome retelling. and I'll just I'll just get started in in kind of the that sense of what you're talking about of like kind of a more honest retelling, maybe. and this definitely falls in the same era and the same, you know, realm as Hamnet, in terms of like the beauty of the English countryside and like how it's shot and the storytelling of that that period. I think that A few things really got me. Obviously, like if you're a sucker for cinematography, if you're a sucker for the English countryside, I thought the B-roll footage, you know, every now and again they would kind of throw in some nice some nice B-roll footage where they're kind of highlighting some aspect of country life, I think. and I really
Matt: Yeah.
Jeff: enjoyed that. One one thing that was funny is we were in the theater watching it and there were like some grandmas that walked in. Grant guaranteed they're not listening this podcast. they were they were old. And walk in and just like won't stop talking, which drives me crazy, first of all. but then they finally sit down and they keep talking. And one thing that Lisa heard in their commentary was, It's so dark. This was like during the dancing scenes. and it's like, Well, what did you think? Like, did you think that England in you know, in the late seventeen hundreds was gonna be like have electric electricity? Like what what were you thinking? So it was like I really liked that aspect of how like kind of realistic it was. Like, yeah, if they're dancing at night, it's probably gonna be by candlelight. just things like that that I just really enjoyed. And I I thought it was like more dark, more dreary, more rainy. funny side note, I went back and watched the trailer for nineteen ninety five Sense and Sensibility, which had Hugh Grant, Emma Thompson, Kate Winslit, Alan Rickman as the colonel. and it was directed by Ang Lee as well. So anyway, it was I think it was a pretty popular movie. I think it has good Rotten Tomatoes reviews. So maybe you could make the argument that thirty one years later isn't long enough to, you know, justify a a reshoot. But I thought this one like when you look at that trailer from nineteen ninety five, it's so well lit. Every scene is sunny except for the one scene where Marianne is out in the rain, where they kinda had to make it rain, but it's like So bright, so happy, so fresh, you know, it's like no no difficulty in their lives whatsoever. and so I thought this was like a more honest retelling, even if it is an idealistic story in general. I thought it was like a very honest, you know, as as honest a retelling as we can get in 2026. And I found it to be really enjoyable and and I I've got a few a few other commentaries, but I don't know what what are your thoughts?
Matt: Yeah, I really enjoyed how they shot the film. And I don't I remember watching the s Sense and Sensibility in back in the nine nineties. it came out in ninety-five. And I just remember really struggling to make it through. In fact, I I distinctly remember watching it with my mom, with our mom, and at one point looking and being like, How is this show possibly still going on? And This one did not feel like that. And I don't know if it's just more of a maturing or being able to follow how they speak in the film a little bit better. But I I didn't feel that at all. I felt like it was a joy kind of end-to-end watching this thing. And I agree with the cinematography. I really appreciated and enjoyed the focus that they had. on different things, different speakers, you know, during the the same scene. And then they kind of gave you a little Terrence Malik focus on nature at times. So they'd focus in on berries or focus in on trees. And and I also liked the realism of, you know, these the the ladies that were in the the film, you know, they were they weren't all dolled up or anything like that. The wind would blow and their hair would go all over the place. And just a little more realistic clothing and for the time. And especially this family that's being displaced. I love how they show that where they are displaced too and how it's I mean, it is certainly a step down from the house that they were raised in. but they they find kind of the beauty in that area also. And and so I I really enjoyed that. I've I think what for me, especially knowing that the the writer has mentioned or the screenwriter has mentioned that She was focusing on the relationship between the sisters. I still I I appreciated what was there. I still was drawn in more by the the relationship between Eleanor and and George. or Edward, not George, Edward. And I thought that their story, and it's more of just a t telling of how I appreciate the story from Jane Austen. I I thought that that relationship was interesting because Edward just has kind of a unique character. And he's not you know, there are there are other characters in the story that are very engaging and he's one who just has kind of a simplistic view on love and on honor and things like that, kinda like the Colonel, but yeah, they definitely they they project each of these characters very differently in the film.
Jeff: I will say, well, just jumping into the casting a little bit. I wanted to talk about that. again, Emma Thompson, nineteen ninety five. I don't know how old she was. Maybe she was the same age as as Daisy Edgar Jones, but just looked a lot older. so it kind of I felt like this one was l maybe a little bit more realistic to the time, of just the way they look and and so on. Eleanor, with Daisy Edgar Jones, I thought she she played it, you know, perfectly to the to being the sensible one, the rational one, who kind of makes decisions on how we regularly kind of rationally think about decision making. And then the Marianne character, this was probably one of my well, maybe maybe I'll I'll get into this a little bit. I I understand the perspective. A as soon as we walked out, I said, you know, I loved that movie. I thought it great. I did think the casting of Marianne was a little a little off compared to the rest of the family. and Lisa immediately pointed out like she was like, Well, I think that was kind of the point, Jeff. Like she's the one that's like kind of a wild spirit, like a little bit more I I forget the line from the movie, but it's something like, if you're gonna fall, you may as well fall from great heights or something like that. And so I guess the the question of the debate is like it was the casting of Marianne the the right choice? 'Cause I felt like the entire Dashwood family was was cast I guess like the mom, Eleanor, Margaret, they were all like kind of cast as kind of in the same vein. And then Marianne was definitely cast a little bit differently. I don't know if you had any any thoughts on that, but that was just basically my one observation.
Matt: Yeah, I've I felt like it was very intentional how they cast her and I I enjoyed all the characters. I think her character more because of how she acts, like you said, was a little bit harder to enjoy because she's she's kinda she's all over the place. And and that that may be that may just be me speaking to what's more appealing is like the The craziness and the I'm gonna go out and and just I'm I'm sure you know, but it's just the story of sense and sensibility. But I I thought she did a good job with the role she was expected to play. I just I think it was more of from the story perspective, I just didn't relate with her with her nearly as much. and yeah.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I I did want to just point out real quick on that on that same thread, just that I was again watching that trailer from from the nineteen ninety five Sense and Sensibility. And there's a scene where Kate Winsl because Kate Winslett played Marianne in the ninety five version, and Kate Winslett is confronting Willoughby when they're at the when they're at the ball and and Willoughby's with another woman and Marianne like in In this one, it's like Marianne is having like a full-on breakdown and you're like invested in her emotional state and everything. The other one, just in the scene from the trailer, Kate Winslet walks in and she's like, Willoughby? Like, what are you doing? You know?
Matt: Yeah.
Jeff: so it's kind of funny to see like the difference. I if you put them side by side, you would be like, wow, one is like well acted, and the other one is like, I don't know what I don't know what they're doing
Matt: Yeah.
Jeff: there. So big difference.
Matt: Well, I'll I'll tell you the the scene one scene that I really enjoyed was a museum scene towards the end with Eleanor and Edward. It's actually one of my f favorite scenes from the whole film. And it's just they have it kind of symmetrically d divided between the two characters while they sit on a bench in the the middle of the s middle of the theater. And they're talking about some of the the honor and the story's very well known. I don't think we're we're not spoiling anything, right? That Eleanor is or that Edward had promised to marry a woman, not Eleanor, even though he out of out of honor, right? especially continuing with this engagement, out of honor. And Eleanor tells him, you know, essentially, that I'll never forgive you if you don't do the honorable thing. And You just there's this moment where and then she gets up and walks away and and Edward just sits there on that bench and they just r they really linger with him on that bench with these this decision. And it wasn't really a dis she didn't leave him a decision, right? And but this overwhelming frustration that he has with this this predicament that he's in, wanting to be with Eleanor, loving Eleanor, but unable to to actually act. on that. And I just the way that they positioned it, the way that they framed the whole thing, I felt like it was was this beautiful separation that they did at that point in the story bet between these two characters.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. another scene that I really enjoyed, I enjoyed the dancing scenes. I think that was like a real highlight. it's not every day you get to see like those like full fledged balls dancing. Like it was it was really well done. I I think
Matt: D
Jeff: when you see a dancing scene from this era of of film, they all look the same. Like they all look exactly the the same as as you've watched a bunch of these different movies. this one looked different. It looked like it looked special. It looked unique. And then the other scene that kind of stood out to me was when they're traveling to London for the first, you know, for that for that first time. And they really drew that out. Like that was pretty fun. it wasn't just like, and we're in London. It was, you know, it was it was like they were really inviting the audience to like join them on this journey and to really feel what it felt like back in those days. Like just the clunkiness of the carriage and just I the first thought that came to me w while I was watching that sequence was like, they didn't really they really didn't have shocks on their carriages, did they? Right? Like it was just a bumpy bumpy ride. but yeah, really, really great movie. obviously there's probably a lot of Jane Austen sense and sensibility fans out there who are you know, probably drawing much deeper analysis out of this movie. But I really enjoyed it.
Matt: Well and and I thought that the The the movie for for me, I guess the the big question is, and you brought it up also, is did we need another sense and sensibility? Do you feel like this one was worthy of a remake thirty thirty one years later?
Jeff: Yeah, I absolutely I think again, if you compare it to the other English drama that we're that we've been discussing lately in Hamnet, it's just I guess what they can do these days or what they feel like doing, the way they feel like telling these stories. because I think you know, I've never I've never actually been to England, but I know it's like pretty dark and pretty rainy and and you know, it has a lot of like dreary seasons. I know they really relish in their summers as well. but I love the realistic telling of these stories and seeing it in kind of a a a darker light. And just I th I thought it was very, very worth a very worthy retelling. And also nineteen nineteen ninety five was like it was a different era. I mean, I know it was only thirty years ago, but it really was a different era. It was a different time. How about you?
Matt: Yeah. Well I well I I think of like Dune, the original you know, the Dune film that they made years ago where w versus the new trilogy that's coming out, you know, was it necessary to make another Dune? And in that case I feel like it absolutely was. And there have been other ones also, you know, there are others that they redid Judge Dread and you're like, I don't the first one wasn't great, why are you making another one? And they've done Robocop and like probably unnecessary. And now I like Street Fighter was another one where you're like, why do we keep remaking lousy movies? Right? Make it make remake some good ones. And this one had kind of a very clear purpose and it it accomplished what it set out to do. show showing more of the realism and and having more of those those family moments, which I I did enjoy. I I thought that the the family moments in the film were were enjoyable. The the younger sister is is very entertaining and the the mom, you can feel a lot of the emotion from the mom throughout the film also and just her trying to hold keep her family together and keep people kinda on the up and up through and and make sure that they all land on their feet with with some of the trials they've gone through.
Jeff: well, I'll dive in and give this one a rating. I think it's the same rating that you gave because I saw it on the on the thumbnail of the video. But I think a four out of five is really fair. again, if there is any any minor criticism I might have, it's it's probably just the the casting of Marianne, maybe some some slight acting tweaks, maybe. Again, I I I'm not I'm not saying I could have made it better. I'm just saying at times it it felt a little distracting honestly, like the just some of the story elements. I mean, I think it it maybe comes from the story itself, but like Marianne is i I think she's actually twenty six in real life, but like I kept getting like sixteen year old vibes and then the colonel's like you know thirty five forty looking and I'm sitting there like I just don't know if I can like make this work in my brain. So maybe that's the only minor criticism that I have. but yeah I'd give it a four point five out of five for sure.
Matt: Yeah, I'm with ya. I think four four point five out of five still still holds up for me. I agree. I think Marianne in the scene where she confronts Willoughby, it was I mean, and again, I'm just gonna assume that this was their intention, but it was incre incredibly awkward where you're just like, my gosh, like just just stop. Just stop and walk away. And she turns around and goes back again. You're like, Okay. And she she brought that intensity, but it was that and And it it worked with the story, but it it was a little a little over to the top for for my taste in that scene. And and I would have to take it back to the source material and see how it was written, and then I can provide a better interpretation. But anyway, love the film four four point five.
Jeff: Alright, well, let's dive into the next movie on the list here, which is Tenzing, which came out on Apple TV Plus. I think last week. Yeah, it came out on Friday of last week, October 16th. And this is the story of Edmund Hillary and Tenzing. Edmund Hillary being the I guess the the Commonwealth representative, actually from New Zealand, not English, as they are very clear to point out in the movie. Edmund Hillary. as, you know, the first guy who summited Everest and then Tenzing, who was a Sherpa companion. And I well, I was trying to say Sherpa, because they also point
Matt: Yeah, it wasn't a
Jeff: out in the movie that he was not actually of the Sherpa clan or Sherpa, you know, group demographic.
Matt: And and he was a climbing member of the crew also, as they point out,
Jeff: Yep. Yeah.
Matt: so
Jeff: Yeah. So I thought it was well, I guess before I get into it, acted by Tom Hiddleston of Loki Fame. the the man who plays Tenzing, I guess his name is Genden Funstock. And I've never heard of him before, but he's been in a few things. also had Willem Defoe and I believe the the director I thought this was kind of interesting, Jennifer Petum. mostly has done documentary work. So I went and looked at her from filmography and it's mostly like nature and mountain Himalaya related documentaries. she had one that was pretty popular I guess in twenty fifteen called Sherpa. And she's done, you know, quite a bit of work around Everest and so on. So I think someone that's very well respected, obviously like I'm not super in that world of of mountaineering documentaries yet. But, you know, I think someone that's probably very well respected. But as far as I can tell, this is her first like narrative film. And I thought she did it she did a really great job.
Matt: Yeah. I I love the fact that they went to Nepal to film this this movie. And you can tell like the the movie I w I would have been greatly disappointed if they're trying to play it off like they're in the Rockies. You know, they're on climbing Everest, but you see that's the Rockies or something ridiculous like that, or if it was all green screened. And from what I was reading, they really spent a lot of time on the mountains. They were climbing. They tried to r recreate things the way it actually happened. If you look at old old pictures of Tenzing and Hillary whenever they were summiting, and around that time, they they matched the outfits very, very closely, if not perfectly. And all the equipment, you know, all the tents, everything just seemed like it was they they really took care to make sure that the the film was an accurate representation. of what actually occurred, which I maybe you pin that on on the documentary filmmaker who's who's transitioning into to these films, but really enjoyed that aspect of it. And what do you think, Jeff?
Jeff: Yeah, well I was I was watching this scene and I will clarify one point from what I looked up, it looks like most of the mountaineering scenes were were shot in New Zealand.
Matt: I thought it was a blend.
Jeff: Well, I think they did they did they did do a blend, I will say. but there there was a scene, you know, toward the end where they're summoning the mountain, and I'm sitting there thinking, did they really put some guys like obviously it probably wouldn't be the actors, but like, did they really put like some like stunt double people in these outfits and just go make them climb Everest and just get this footage. Like it was that realistic for me where I was Yeah.
Matt: See, I I thought I thought that right as they're summing, they made all these intentionally like upward shots with the camera
Jeff: Yeah.
Matt: to avoid seeing any of the mountains around but it was but yeah, they they they mix them and it's it was very very interesting.
Jeff: It definitely caught it definitely caught the magic though of this this you know, the intensity and the you know, I'm a big fan of these British expeditionary adventure different expeditions that they went on and and it definitely draws back, you know, draws us back to other expeditions that that we've read about is especially like Shackleton and the Endurance and and some of these people who just went and did crazy things for no particular reason except to do them. the the conquest of human achievement I think was just incredible. And so yeah, when you see these guys in in this kind of rudimentary equipment saying, Yeah, we're gonna go climb that mountain. These days when people climb Everest, they have, you know, all of the equipment. They have the Sherpa companions carrying most of their gear. They have, you know, pretty much like everything I was even watching a clip from a Jennifer Petum documentary where some guy was like at base camp two or three and he's like getting a hot towel from a sherpa. You know, it's just like some ridiculousness. But anyway, like these guys were were different. You know, they were cut from a different cloth and they just saw these adventures and said, Let's go do it. And I don't even know if they were like even the most prepared. I mean, I don't know like Edmund Hillary being from New Zealand, like they don't really have as tall of mountains as Everest in New Zealand. So, you know, just just really spoke to like the the human spirit. I guess we should also take a minute and kind of talk about the Tenzing aspect because apart from like the British expeditionary forces that went out and were trying to accomplish these awesome things, you also have this Juggs position with Tenzing, the struggles that he went through to become a mountain guide, to become part of the climbing team. even just to get on as a guide in the first place, they they reflect a lot on that in the story. and just kind of focus a little bit more on his journey from childhood to to adulthood and and how he eventually became this pretty renowned climber and and was able to be lucky enough to to join Hiller on the on the final ascent. what were your thoughts on kind of the the tensing aspect of the of the story?
Matt: I'll tell ya, I think that for me it was a bit of a miss on the story of Tenzing. And maybe this was already anticipated, but I felt like the flashbacks to especially to his childhood and maybe to a lesser degree, his young adult life and and meeting his wife and things like that were were a little too much of the focus. It honestly felt like it was like a slaughterhouse five. Unstuck in time because they'll just cut like mid-sene and jump back in time, jump forward in time. I'm like, I don't even I don't even know where we are anymore. And at times I appreciate that in this when you I was just trying to learn more about Tenzing, I didn't feel like it was that necessary. for me, again, just my preference, I would have loved to see. Everything once he actually started to climb more and learn to climb and see some of that evolution to because they talk about throughout the film that he knows this mountain. He's been on all these F different expeditions. He's been the highest of anyone on this current expedition. And they don't show you any of it. And you all they just kind of they show him s warming up to the idea of climbing, but then they skip the whole portion of him actually going on these expeditions and having wild experiences, which I'm I'm interested in. And so maybe that all that's saying is I should watch a documentary about Ten Zing instead of trying to watch one of these live action films. But that was that was a bit one of my complaints with the film was that they spent so much time probably just showing who Ten Zing was and where he came from. And we can talk a little bit more also about some of the discrimination that that they present in the film also, which was was interesting. but that was that was kind of my take. What do you think, Jeff?
Jeff: Yeah, no, I kind of fell on the same along the same lines, which is like very compelling story. Very, you know, I I love seeing these stories of of human achievement, whether it's in the mountains or whether it's sports or whether, you know, whatever it might be. the thing about the and I get why they were trying to do it, and I love that they're trying to draw attention to some of these the you know, more native folks in the Himalayas who who really have enabled this entire industry and and and climbing these big mountains, it certainly couldn't have been done. Like it strictly could not have been done strictly by the British. Like I just don't I think it would have taken them another 50 years to to summit Everest if we left them only to their own forces. frankly, even today, I don't think most people would be able to do it if they didn't have the help of the Sherpas. so I get why Jennifer Peenum made that intentional choice to kind of focus on Tenzing as like a core character and even call the movie Tenzing. Where I felt like there were there were certain scenes where I just wasn't feel I didn't feel like invested in the in the character. I didn't feel invested in in like at the end there's this scene where they're about to summit and Tenzing falls down. He's got some hypoxia going on and he has this vision of his wife who passed away and I just like I was watching it and again, maybe it was my mood, maybe it was just, you know, where I was with it, but I was just like, let's just let's just get to the top. Like, let's just summit the mountain. I I doubt it was even realistic to say that he passed out toward the end and had some vi you know, some vision, some some so anyway, all that to say, it fell a little flat to me, like some of the more emotional aspects of it. I'm perfectly fine just watching guys like go out and and accomplish great feats and and climb the mountain. I don't necessarily need to pull in the emotional aspects. I did think that the, you know, the what you mentioned before, like more the discriminatory aspects. because Tenzing wasn't technically a Sherpa, he was from another tribe, there was a lot of discrimination against him. and I did think those aspects of the story were super interesting. just like learning about that, That aspect of his history. But in terms of like his, you know, I'm doing this for my wife. Well, was he doing it for his wife, or was he just doing it because he felt compelled to climb mountains and and had an emotional, spiritual connection with the mountain? my argument would probably be he just felt that spiritual emotional connection with the mountain. I don't think he was necessarily doing it for any particular emotional reason. tied to his family, but maybe I'm wrong. Be something to probably read about.
Matt: Yeah, maybe his autobiography, I guess he wrote two books about it. Maybe that would clarify, but I felt similar similarly that you know, the maybe the movie went a little too far in trying to identify his motivations, where it seemed like he was also just very interested in climbing and summiting. And they talk about Everest being his mountain and and that he'd been up it so many times, right? But they don't emphasize that. It's like, why is it his mountain? It's like not just because he looked at it. Is because he actually had been a part of all of these expeditions to summit Everest. And they they just slide that over and they're like, Well, it's your mountain, what, because you love it? And like, well, no, it's I've I've spent a huge part of my professional life attempting to summit this mountain. And I just I thought of if I were to watch a biographical film about Michael Jordan. Or another athlete or anything, what would be the interest, where would my focus want to go? And to me, maybe because I'm a sucker for Rocky films and stuff like that, I like seeing the the training and the buildup and the sacrifice that it takes to to accomplish these amazing goals and these amazing feats, not so much understanding every nuance and every experience and trial that this person's come through. Sometimes that is applicable and necessary. But I like I like seeing the actual work that was done along the way to actually achieve and I feel like they left some of that out.
Jeff: Yeah. Well, in the end, I guess I'll I'll dive in and give my rating. I know I I did it first last time, but I'm gonna give I I already made the video, so so
Matt: Right.
Jeff: it's already spoiled. but I would give this one a a four out of five. enjoyed it for a you know, for a Friday night watch, I think it was about as good as you can get. I loved the cinematography, I loved the efforts that were taken again by the by the crew to make it look as realistic as possible. w whether they filmed the shot in Nepal, whether they filmed it in New Zealand or wherever. I just thought it was it was a really really nice retelling of the Hillary Tenzing ascent. And yeah, definitely recommend it.
Matt: Yeah, I will I will give it a three three point five out of five just because of some of the things we discussed. But I will say one of the parts I I really enjoyed was seeing the personality, at least from how it was acted, of Hillary. And I I looked into whether or not there are different accounts of Hillary acting as friendly and as inclusive and Supportive as they show Hillary bean in this film. And that part, as far as I could verify, was very accurate that he did go out of his way to try to befriend Tenzing. He recognized the skill that Tenzing had. And across the board, like you'll see it in the film, he is he's he's very enthusiastic about climbing, but he's also very encouraging and not bitter. that they show about some of the things that happen. I I just thought that the the character of not only Tenzing, which is you know, he's phenomenal, a phenomenal person, but also Hillary and then their their friendship and the bond that they have was was really pretty heartwarming.
Jeff: I probably should walk back what I said about him not having an emotional connection with his wife because you're probably right that they pulled that from some book. Who knows? Or maybe they're just trying to make make it dramatic. I don't know.
Matt: Who well, I will say the relationship he the the friction that he had with Pasang, one of the other one of the Sherpas,
Jeff: Mm-hmm.
Matt: from what I again see, we're speculating too much, but I'll go ahead and say it. That I I was reading that he was a little bit more of a composite character of some of the the groups of Sherpas that had some the the friction between the Nepalese Sherpas and maybe different tribes or people who went to India to try and be on more of these expeditions and which is sounds like it was very accurate. But if Pisong is an actual person, which I thought he act he was, but I always feel like with composite characters, you have to be so careful that you don't give them all the worst characteristics and then tie it to somebody's actual name because it's so unfair to these people to be like Hey, everybody remembers Pissang for being that absolute jerk to Tenzing and like, well, I mean he probably don't need to single him out as the one and only, but so yeah, maybe we have some more more studying and research to do if we wanna fully understand the story.
Jeff: Yeah, what's kinda crazy is that one of those guys could be like ninety and they could still be I'm trying to think what their ages would be. But yeah, I mean there's probably someone in Nepal that actually like remembers you know. They're like, well,
Matt: We'll get we'll get to the bottom of this.
Jeff: they're like eighty or ninety years old probably over there and they actually still remember. I mean, it's crazy to think, but it was only was was it nineteen fifty three? Is that the year they did it? I mean, I think even Edmund Hillary died in like two thousand eight. So I mean, just Like it we're talking fairly recent history here. Sometimes you think it's a really long time ago, but there were still there were still things to accomplish. I feel like they're becoming fewer and fewer, the things that that humans haven't done, but we still haven't gotten to Mars, so keep that in mind. All right. And Winter K2's done. Forget that. If you had dreams
Matt: Yeah, winter K2 is already done, so
Jeff: of doing that, we've seen the movie. All right. let's dive into our top five rom coms. I feel like Well, I guess sense and sensibility is is a romantic drama, but it's not a comedy. I feel like for
Matt: Yeah. Not a comedy.
Jeff: rom coms you you really have and and maybe it's just the I you know, I I was just gonna briefly comment that the way that these movies have gone, they're not really making the ones they used to make, right? It's like these days it's mostly just like kind of comedies, kind of a little bit more of a a raunchy theme to the to the comedy these days. I think The popularity of the hangover and bridesmaids kinds of kind of like inspire people like, hey, it's kind of a rom-com, but it's mostly just like a kind of a raunchy comedy. we're talking here, when we say rom-com, I think everyone knows what we mean. But we're talking like fairly wholesome, funny story, classic, you know, maybe Sabrina's on Matt's list, but I think they were all kind of in the in the vein of this like original, like kind of story of of something like a Sabrina where you're getting you know, you're just kinda getting that kind of classic that classic storyline of boy meets girl kind of thing.
Matt: Yeah. And and I feel like there are plenty of decent rom coms that that aren't as, you know, good heart, you know, clean and and pure as as others. But overall I found myself trying to strike this proper balance between the romance and the comedy and make sure that it can be classified as both instead of just kind of targeting one. 'Cause there are lots of where I'm like, I love that film, but as I was pondering which one was gonna make my list, I tried to I tried to find some good balances. So
Jeff: Yeah, yeah. Well, again, it I think when I was looking at the lists of of movies and kind of picking out my top five from from those lists, it was a little hard. Like as as an example, I mean, I don't know if this one made your lists and rightfully so if it did, you don't have to spoil it right now, but like Princess Bride, for example, I wouldn't necessarily call it a rom com, but you know, it's more of an adventure film, right? It's like
Matt: Yeah.
Jeff: but it was on the list and I thought, well, you know, yeah, there's there's some comedy elements, there's some romantic elements, but it's not strictly speaking a rom com, right? So
Matt: Yeah, I agree with that. I think I think that Princess Bride is hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. But I would not classify it as a rom com with what we're looking at for today. All right.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah.
Matt: You ready for me? do I get to go first this week?
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, why don't you go first?
Matt: All right. Number five for me, a little more off the beaten path, but I want I kept on, I was trying to research. Like, I I have all these ones from the 90s and early 2000s that I was remembering. And I was like, I've seen a few in recent years that I've actually enjoyed quite a bit. And so this one is from Netflix and it is to all the boys I've loved before. Did you ever see that one?
Jeff: I don't think I did. I saw I saw
Matt: it is
Jeff: the trailer, I saw it on Netflix and so on.
Matt: It is hilarious. Just and and they have and and at one point, and maybe it's on on yours, I considered putting ten things I hate about you on my top five. And I and I watched it again. I was like, I'll probably leave that one off. But I I watched this one this week and they have some high school you know, kind of some inappropriate conversations here and there and a scene that I would skip. But But overall it's the dialogue is hilarious throughout this film. And it's about a teenage girl who has all these love letters written to pass love past people that she was in love with, and then she put them all into a box, and then her sister or younger sister s mails them all off to these different boys. And so she's d trying to deal with all that. I love how like there's a part in the film where they say where Noah Centiena Centinio, who's in Street Fighter as Ken. he he's awesome in this film. I really enjoy his character. But he says that like you have all the references of like a 70 year old woman, and and that's very true. Like all the references in the film are written for people kind of our age or older. And so they reference Golden Girls and they reference all these other things. Anyway, I just loved it. They have John Corbett in there from you know, My Big Fat Greek Wedding and Northern Exposure. And he does a great job as well. So it's a it's definitely worth a watch.
Jeff: yeah, I'll have to check it out. I remember seeing the yeah, I remember seeing the trailer a bunch, but never actually watched it, so I'll have to I'll have to do that.
Matt: J just the first one. The second and third. I don't even know if I made it through the third one, but they were not nearly as good. But the first one was phenomenal.
Jeff: That's good, Janet. Well, the first one that I put, and and again, I think mine, I'm giving you another caveat. I have I I do actually have pretty good recollection of these. so I'm not fully fully lost my mind here. But I will say I don't I don't know. I don't know if we're gonna have the same taste in rom coms, but I'm I I guess I'll we'll find out by the end of the list. the first one I put, number five, was she's all that. which is
Matt: Really?
Jeff: a like fun. I think I think that's how I would classify all of these is like I don't really care about any kind of like and maybe that's just rom coms. I don't really care about the emotional aspects, I don't care about the dramatic aspects, I don't care about any of that. I just think she's all that was just like a fun. It came out when we were in high school, probably like early two thousands, and it just I think perfectly embodies that time of life and Obviously, like we're not actually doing some of the things they did in that in that show. but Rachel Lee Cook, Freddie Prince Jr., Freddie Prinz as a twenty five year old playing an eighteen year old,
Matt: Freddie Pretty Prince
Jeff: you can't get better. but I watched this one like fairly recently and I just like still really enjoyed it. Like it just brings a smile to my face to see this like transformational story. and I love the you know, I always love this story, which is true for how to lose a guy in ten days as well. like kind of the secret bet that's going on in the background. I'm a sucker for that, for that kind of thing. I think the secret coming out is probably something that is a common theme in rom coms as well. So anyway,
Matt: Yeah.
Jeff: I I like I like this one. and it's it's just something that brings back great nostalgia and great great great memories to the high school days.
Matt: Then that's great. I think she's all that was very funny. But I I've not seen it in a long time. I saw it pop up as I was trying to nail down my list and and I'll have to revisit it based on on your ranking there.
Jeff: Well, if you talk to Lisa, she's never she told me she's never seen it and it made me a little sad, but I also think she has like no interest in seeing it. So you know, it's like don't don't
Matt: Yeah.
Jeff: take my word for it. Just 'cause I like it at number five does not mean anyone else is gonna like this movie, so all right, what
Matt: So
Jeff: you got for four?
Matt: number four, Runaway Bride. The the cleaned up version of Pretty Woman with Richard
Jeff: Ha ha.
Matt: Gere and Julia and and Julia Robert Roberts. I have watched Runaway Bride many times. I remember seeing this in the theater in high school, and there are just so many sweet moments. And I I'm probably a little different than you, Jeff. I like the the sweet romance. mixed with the comedy and I feel like this this keeps it all it's PG it's you keep it nice throughout the whole film and it's it's a it's absurd the story that this woman's gonna keep running away at the altar. I don't know how anybody after the first time that that happens would be like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna try a relationship with that girl because she she just takes off on him. And but it's so well written and it's it's just tons of fun. And there are these beautiful moments where where Richard Geere and Julia Roberts are getting to know each other and spending these these very romantic moments together, getting closer and closer. So I I'm a sucker for it. And I I love it. I thought it was it's definitely worthy of a top five.
Jeff: Yeah, you know, I was I was definitely like looking for a Julia Roberts movie to put on my top five and you know, looking at my list ultimately did not end up with one, even though I think there's some great ones. Obviously Runaway Bride, Notting Hill, another one. well, you mentioned Pretty Woman and like I always I grew up thinking like Pretty Woman has to like the trashiest movie in all of history, but actually I watched it some years ago and it it's pretty it's pretty mild. Obviously it gets the R rating for, you know. obvious reasons, but but like it's not it's not like it you know, I don't I don't even know if these days it would it would merit an R rating. but anyway, like I think Julia Roberts had a great run and definitely definitely deserving to be somewhere in the top five. But number four I gave to Crazy Stupid Love. I don't know if you know this one. did you watch
Matt: I have not s I have not seen it yet. And so I'm I'm curious to to see what you say.
Jeff: No, I mean I I like this one. I think it's a really hilarious story. basically Steve Carell's like going through a divorce and he meets Ryan Gosling at like a bar, and Ryan Gosling's like this young, I mean, just like Ryan Gosling is like this young hip, like super cool guy. And he basically like transforms Steve Carell to become some version of himself, which is like kind of mischievous with you know, someone who doesn't necessarily care about long-term relationships, just kind of in it to to win over girls, and and it it leads to a bunch of drama and you know you'll have to watch it and I won't give it all away, but there's basically just like all these different connections made through the movie, where the ending kind of leads to this like wild ending where Steve Corral kind of has to answer for all of the for the choices that Ryan Gosling kind of put him into. And Ryan Gosling also has to answer for his way of life. and it's it's super, super fun. Super you know, I I just I just really enjoyed it. Thought it was a really fun one. But again, one that I need to need to catch up on and watch again. But really remember enjoying it.
Matt: And that was one of the earlier partnerships with Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone, right? Before La La Land. Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: Yep, that's right. Yep. Emma Stone plays the the daughter of Steve Corral I believe. So yeah.
Matt: Very cool. All right. Number three. I almost left this one out. And maybe it deserves to be left out, but I'm throwing it in there is Hitch with Will Smith and Ava
Jeff: Okay, okay.
Matt: Mendez. And I I hesitated because I feel like maybe the romantic side of it is a little bit lower than the comedy. But We've watched this one quite a bit over the years and I think that the Will Smith's character is just a lot of fun. I never understood why Will Smith tried to get away from the persona that he has in Hitch and in almost even the trash talking person that he was in Independence Day or Bad Boys to try and take on all these dramatic roles. I will say he he was awesome in pursuit of happiness and Ali and other films, but I just think do what you do best sometimes, right? And I I think that the the hidden gem of the film is Kevin James and his relationship with with Allegra Cole, because it's it's just hilarious. Kevin James is a master of the art and does a phenomenal job throughout the whole the the whole film.
Jeff: Cool. yeah for
Matt: All right. All right, man.
Jeff: Well I remember Hitch.
Matt: Good luck with all that.
Jeff: I remember it well. you know, I I d I don't know. I yeah, it was it was pretty good. It was pretty good. well I'm gonna throw I I I remember enjoying it and I I I will just say to your sentiment about Will Smith, like he he really had such a great run and I think Hitch was was in that run where he was just like someone that all of America adores and yeah, as you as you said, he kind of pulled away from that for whatever reason. So he wanted the dramatic roles, what can we say? pursuit of happiness and so
Matt: Want to s he wanted to slap Chris Rock. That was that happened later, but still.
Jeff: That was that was the big turning point. so I'm gonna go with number three as five hundred days of summer. I don't know if you remember this one.
Matt: I r I remember Five Hundred Days of Summer. I remember thinking it was hilarious and I'm
Jeff: Yeah.
Matt: not sure if my companion agreed, but I I thought it
Jeff: Well, you know, I think
Matt: was great.
Jeff: for me, what do you call it? I think there's some term Pixie Dream Girl or Pixie Stardust Dream Girl. I forget. But there's this term, you know, Zoe De Chanel, Joseph Gordon Levitt. That's that's the name. and there, you know, I think I think the chemistry in this movie is great. And it really like represents again kind of this like millennial time period where you're I don't know, like I just Again, it it's kind of like Zo the Joey Da the Zoe Dachnell character is kind of this like dream girl who everyone, you know, thinks about, dreams about, and is, I guess, almost too good to be true in in this case. and eventually they kind of have to like reconcile this like dream like I don't know. It I think it represents it's kind of an interesting movie because it represents like the start of a relationship versus like real life. and how everything is a dream early on, but then like you kind of get into real life and things get a little a little more challenging, like just different things come up, different like needs and wants from a relationship and so on. So I just I just remember really enjoying it and yeah, again finding it quite quite funny as well. Yeah.
Matt: Well, on in the five hundred days of summer, I didn't realize going in, but that's you know, that's their relationship, right? But it's it's nonlinear, so they're jumping around. Am I remembering that right? Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah, it's nonlinear, yeah.
Matt: Yeah. Anyway, very funny show. I I have not seen it in a very long time, but I remember laughing a lot while watching that one. All right. Number two. Not
Jeff: Number two.
Matt: You mentioned it earlier. I have two Julie Roberts films on my top five. And number two is Notting Hill. And Notting Hill with Hugh Grant, Julie Roberts, and the the man from Hugh Bon Bonneville from Downton Abbey makes a young young man appearance in this film. There's so many hilarious supporting characters, supporting cast. I really I know Hugh Grant in real life is not like William Thacker, but I love the character of William Thacker in this film. Maybe it's just this idea that this this completely anonymous guy who runs a forgettable bookstore is gonna have this shot of being with this with with like the this famous actress. I I just like the story, but it brings so much heart into it too with some of the the stories that they they share and and there's a part where they're gathered around the the table and they're all kind of sharing their like the hardships that they encounter in life. And anyway, there's a there's lots of of beautiful parts and just so funny from start to to finish.
Jeff: All right, number two, I've got I've got You've Got Mail, which I think might I think I think is a contender for your number one. Don't don't tell me. Don't tell me, but You've Got Mail, Tom Hanks, Meg Ryan, Nora Efron, I believe, directed. And I think it's a retelling of the story of the shop around the corner, which I actually watched. I actually watched that original film. And let's just say that Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan did it better than the original. The original was just kind of like, we hate each other, we hate each other. At the very end, it's like, actually we love each other. in this one, there's definitely like I love that build up of kind of she hates Tom Hanks, she hates him, but then like something turns in her where she realizes like, he's actually a pretty nice guy. And then at the end, she's like, I hoped it was you kind of thing. she's like actually kind of dreading meeting this guy from the emails because she you know, has fallen in love with Tom Hanks' character. anyway, I think it's just like the great the great love story where the secret comes out at the end. And I've I've always loved it. And obviously like also gave me an unhealthy fascination with like living in New York and like, it's gotta be a dream living in New York. Well, not everyone has a not everyone has a two thousand square foot apartment in New York, you know, not not everyone is like a multimillionaire living in these Fancy places, but yeah, I love it. It's classic. So Go ahead. What's your what's your number one minute?
Matt: Well, Jeff, you know you know me too well, buddy. Number one for me, you've got mail. I this is my very first date I went to see You've got mail in the theaters. at the st the start of many other dates where I'm sure my date was underwhelmed with my desire to go watch a movie and have food. But love you got mail. I will I will also just point to Nora Efron as really one of the great writers of all time for for film. she co she wrote this with her sister Delia and then she directed it. But I just think that Nora Efron is so sharp and some of her other writings, not even film, she's just she's spot on and her observations they always ring true. I also really enjoy Greg Kaneer in this film and Just endless quotable quotes from You've Got Mail. It's funny to watch it now and especially looking at our kids and realizing they have absolutely no idea what we're even talking about with Instant Messenger and and all these hand you know, the the the the way that that was evolving at the time has kind of put it into this strange time capsule whenever you watch it now. But I agree. It it definitely built this love for New York City and and all the possibilities that that are out there. I think that the the buildup of the the romance is is is great. I feel like Tom Hanks's character I just can't believe that he carried on with this charade for so much of the movie after because he finds out that Meg Ryan's the person he's been messaging, but she doesn't know for so much of it. And you're just like, man, that guy, he's a stalwart to to carry, carry the torch for so long. But it's it's very Very funny and definitely worth a watch.
Jeff: I really like how you said that it's it's a time capsule because it is like 100% like that is a great way to describe it. Because it's something that you and I like understand very intimately, but our children would have absolutely no perception of like that this was ever a thing. nowadays, like you could recreate you've got mail, but it would be like via Snapchat. And I guess even nowadays they have a term. I believe it's called catfishing, where you know Where you're like spoofing someone online and pretend you know, pretending to be a different person. anyway, I just think it's it's a it's a great time capsule, a great great classic watch. All right, number one for me, I'm putting the one that you mentioned, Ten Things I Hate About You. I I love this movie and Julius Styles, Heath Ledger. I just I don't know. It's one that I've actually gone back to. I told you I don't wa rewatch a lot of movies, but One that I like go back to as like just a another kind of she's all that same era. yeah, it's got some definitely like some I guess teenage humor where, you know, it's just like stupid stuff that happens throughout the movie. and it's it's like in this fictionalized high school where they're, you know, kind of representing our time our our time in the millennial time in high school. Where you have all the different groups and you know how those different groups interact with each other. And it's like yeah, again, I I guess you could say it's a time capsule for the early two thousands in some ways. all told in the in the story of the taming of the shrew. And anyway, I just I thought it was it was a really great story, heartwarming in its own way. And definitely like I don't know, there's something about rom coms that like they bring me back to those high school days where you just kind of think the world is your oyster and that anything is possible. And certainly like this movie kind of brought those thoughts to me as a kid. And then you kind of grow up and realize like this is all just fiction. Like this is not reality. but when you're in high school or when you're younger, you can watch a movie like 500 days of summer, you can watch a movie like Ten Things I Hate About You. And and think that there's like some element of reality. And then as you grow older, you go to therapy and you talk about how your perceptions of reality are completely skewed and you realize like there was nothing realistic in those movies. So anyway,
Matt: Well
Jeff: it's it's it's a fun one. I agree that it is not like based in any sort of reality. but I I I liked it and I I still do.
Matt: Yeah. It's it's fiction, but it's great fun. And I I agree. I for the longest time, Ten Things I Hate About You was top of my list and I still love it. It's hilarious. The girl's dad is just absolutely hilarious. But he's a gynecologist and he's always talking to about making sure that they're being safe. Anyway, lots of really hilarious moments and lots of young actors that you'd recognize today still in that film. And the the the wonderful Heath Ledger was in it very early in his career, even pre Night's Tale. And anyway, it's that's probably a good good part for us to to mention again that that we do have an affiliate link available for Vid Angel if you'd like to try filtering some of these films. some of them that we mentioned today probably don't need any filtering. sense and sensibility with PG, but anything that's where you say maybe I don't want to watch this myself or I don't want to show my children this, Bid Angel is a great option for customizing your filters and then watching that. And we'll put a link for a 14-day trial in the the the show notes and we encourage everybody to give that a try. I was gonna say with 10 things I hate about you, Jeff, that high school is actually in Tacoma, Washington. And so if there's anybody watching from Tacoma, I'd be very curious. if you went to that high school because our high school here in the Dallas area looks nothing like that high school. I would have loved to go to a high school that was as beautiful as that the high school from Ten Things I Hate About You. So hope you all can enjoy the show. We invite everybody to to comment and subscribe and we'd love to hear from from ya. And Jeff, anything else you want to add?
Jeff: I'll just throw out our high school was a rectangular prism. So keep
Matt: Ha ha ha
Jeff: that in mind. Maybe says something about the show here.
Matt: That's right.
Jeff: All right, Matt. great to chat. Until next time, onward and filmward, and we will catch you all soon. Thanks. Bye.
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